EMS - Desktop App - Troubleshooting

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Insufficient system storage. The server response was: 4.5.3 Too many recipients (AS780090)

On one occasion, this error occurred for the first time on Kaylee Salser's EMS desktop application the first day after she received a new computer and had downloaded a copy of the desktop app.

Resolution (None. Ever.)

This issue is due to a Microsoft email spam safeguard somewhere that no one can tell us where it is. It does not recognize a user name as authorized to send emails to multiple recipients until a number of days (probably less than 2 weeks) or when it recognizes the user is not a spammer. As they use their computer and send emails to one recipient only from EMS then sometime afterward it will allow them to send emails to multiple recipients.

2019-07-16 - I think I remember downloading and installing the app again and it worked okay
2021-04-06 - TDX 17490169 This error occurred again for new employee Madison Burns in Conference and Events.
                        Uninstalling the EMS desktop app and reinstalling did not resolve the issue.
                        Note that the intended recipient still received multiple emails apparently for each attempt to send the email without an error.
WIT 264246 EMS Issues again (multiple emails)
WIT 262599 EMS Email - Failure to Send created 2020-08-06 14:18
2020-08-06 14:10 - Error occurred. On 2020-08-12 09:07 - EMS Support said, "…this is not [an] EMS issue but [a] SMTP issue. This issue seems to be related to the number of addresses to be sent in one single message or email and this limit is set on your company's email server (SMTP server). Could you please reach out to your IT Department for more details on the SMTP server's setup?" On 2020-08-13 13:21 - it began working as expected and was able to send to multiple recipients after six days.
WIT 230478 EMS Error Message- need help! (the day after Kaylee Salser received a new computer, per comment on Wed Mar 06 2019, 09:49:55). On Mar 12, six days later, the EMS app was reinstalled and the error no longer occurred for Kaylee.
2020-08-06 WIT 262599 EMS Email - Failure To Send.
2021-09-15 TDX 18147118 Insufficient system storage. Coach Robin Harriss, when setup as a new EMS user, received this error with "Too many recipients" also noted on the error pop-up. Marty agreed after I noted past incidents when this happened but that it resolved itself and that is the only way I know for it to be resolved.
2022-07021 TDX 19495375 Insufficient System Storage. The server response was: 4.5.3. Recipients belong to multiple tenants
After probably not having used this EMS feature to send emails via Outlook to multiple recipients or to outside recipients but generated by EMS for at least a week, received this error message when trying to send to just one recipient with an email address outside letu.edu. See attached, "2022-07-21 Recipients belong to multiple tenants.png".


Change the Setting in System Administration / Settings / Email Settings to Use Microsoft® Outlook Only

Emails between Accruent and LeTU EMS that temporarily require LeTU to use this workaround for the foreseeable future:

From: Felix, Thales <Thales.Felix@accruent.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 2:40 PM
To: Shafer, Tim <TimShafer@letu.edu>; Baeza, Alexa <alexa.baeza@accruent.com>
Cc: Gehring, Jeffrey <jgehring@accruent.com>; Thomas, Cindy <CindyThomas@letu.edu>; Carroll, Jack <JackCarroll@letu.edu>; Lane, Marty <MartyLane@letu.edu>
Subject: RE: Go Live Week

Hi Tim,

On the DTC error:

There is a known bug about EMS, EMS Desktop Client shares “Use SSL” parameter for the manual emails sent (setting from System Administration > Settings > Email Settings) with the automated emails sent from SendGrid (includes email from Rules, Automated Reports and Web App emails), summarizing (trying to make it short):
1. If you switch “Use SSL” parameter from No to Yes on System Administration > Settings > Parameters > Desktop Client tab, it will probably get manual emails to work if you use SMTP server as outlook.office365.com and port 25/587, but it’ll break automated emails and those will no longer be sent.
2. As an alternative, you can go to System Administration > Settings > Email Settings and switch the radio button to use Outlook only as that is the current workaround for this specific issue, so Outlook is launched with email content instead of sending directly from Desktop Client. Although this option from what I know doesn’t record the email logs that have been manually sent via Desktop Client.
3. As a second alternative if you’re willing to, is to use one of your internal SMTP servers and allow the cloud IP’s in and out, and if your internal SMTP doesn’t use SSL, it should be fine.

For now, there is no solution to use outlook.office365.com as SMTP server along with automated emails that will properly work, a fix needs to be implemented by EMS developers and deployed in a future release.

Best regards,

Thales Felix
Associate Technical Consultant II
Accruent | Shared Services

From: Cooper, Ethan <EthanCooper@letu.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 5:44 PM
To: Shafer, Tim <TimShafer@letu.edu>
Cc: Thomas, Cindy <CindyThomas@letu.edu>; Carroll, Jack <JackCarroll@letu.edu>; Lane, Marty <MartyLane@letu.edu>; Johnson, Ken <kenjohnson@letu.edu>; Faul, Nick <NickFaul@letu.edu>; Eeds, Alex <AlexEeds@letu.edu>
Subject: RE: Go Live Week

After consulting with the team on this, the only secure option is option 2 below, which is to use Outlook. We have continued to allow the EMS desktop clients to use unencrypted email for some time now, but our recommendation would be to discontinue sending using smtp-relay.letnet.net.

The admitted flaws/limitations--you can send securely, but it breaks things, or you lose logging capabilities--in the EMS system below are unfortunate. Until they resolve these issues, we will continue to be hamstrung, and we’ll have to accept some sort of limitation in functionality.





Article ID: 134688
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